Hello Readers, I have had some nice surprises this month. It started with Frank’s beach walk post HERE and then Marsha let me know some of my quotes were featured for “Writer’s Quotes Wednesday” (WQW): “Eating Your Way to Good Health”- Here. 

  • It was so uplifting to see some of my health tips featured. It reflects a lot of time that was spent exploring alternative information about restoring the body’s terrain.  Always learning  and I am always ready to modify and realize I need to learn more. 
  • While making something to join in with WQW this week, I decided to get quotes from Shelley @Quaint Revival.  I really like the way she shares her insights. That led to doing a mini interview with Shelley and I am excited to share it today.
  • These interview posts can be a bit long – so feel free to SKIM or maybe come back later to read it. I think you will find some helpful takeaways.



PRIORHOUSE: Shelley. Thanks so much for doing this interview. As noted, I was originally just going to get some quotes from you to join in with WQW’s health topic. But that led to a mini interview and I feel like your health changes could inspire others. 

SHELLEY: Thanks for the warm invite to join in on the mission to share what we have learned. And I agree, if we can change just one life, it’s worth it.   

PRIORHOUSE: Even before you and your husband changed your eating choices,  I enjoyed following your alternative approaches for healthcare. Like the way you used essential oils to remove a brown spot – and how you tried natural remedies (for the unicorn bump) before rushing into an allopathic approach (which is often sick care that is too fast to slice, poison, and burn).

So…. Do you have any tips for someone who wants to improve their health? 

SHELLEY: Like Dr. Bos says, “Do it anyway you can.”  And if you want health improvements, then you will have to have an open-mind. Once you start exploring and learning all the things that are opposite of what we’ve been told to believe, like back in the 80s and 90s we were told that sugar helped curb appetite, you can’t look at food the same as you did before. 

PRIORHOUSE: I thought you were going to start with the lies about how fat was bad and that eating fat would make us fat. However, healthy fats are brain food and eating a fat-rich diet, with red meats, gives us long-term fuel. But you are so right, the lies about sugar seem to still be everywhere. In fact, I just saw Lizzo’s Vegan Instacart grocery list and it was chemicals, packaged “fake” food, and sugar!  

Is this is a joke – or is this serious? This is not food. 

SHELLEY: The overconsumption of sugar is one of the top causes of all the diseases that, sadly, are reversible with diet changes. Also, for health improvements, I would recommend  that people stay open to experimenting with what foods trigger blood sugar spikes and fasting from morning sugars.  The goal is to assess and measure what your body tells you it’s doing with the food you’re consuming. It is very enlightening.  

PRIORHOUSE: Do you have a specific Quaint Revival post that gives highlights about your (and your husband’s) health journey and Keto lifestyle.

SHELLEY: Yes, this post HERE, “Pancakes, Pizza, and Burgers, Oh, My!”

Two Shelley quotes from that post:

“The best part of the diet changes we’ve made is that we don’t feel like crashing after a meal.  No matter how warm and cozy it is to lay around like a cat.  I don’t lay around the house dreaming of my long-beloved Tostitos anymore either.”

“We’re full, though, and sleep well.  We wake up in the morning without feeling the need for snacking between meals.”

PRIORHOUSE: The term KETO is rather ambiguous and it makes me disgusted to see so many chemicals added to packaged and processed junk food that is then advertised as Keto.  If anyone wants more information about keto, Mark’s Daily Apple has a FREE  “Beginner’s Guide to Keto” HERE.  Do you have a favorite Keto meal? 

SHELLEY: A meal we enjoy is a grilled cheeseburger on lettuce (skip the bun) – which is also quick and easy to make.  When it comes to good eating, I feel as if I am spoiled. My husband doesn’t like to repeat meals too often and he also does tons of research for new recipes. So every meal is my favorite. All of my husband’s meals are delicious and satiating, that’s the key – we’re never hungry and we feel satisfied. 

“Keto doesn’t have to be boring.”

PRIORHOUSE: Do you still do intermittent fasting?  

SHELLEY: Yes, we fast a few times a month. We also, for the most part, eat supper at 4:30 pm and don’t eat breakfast until 9:00 am.  So we have an eating window from 9 am – 4:30 pm.  The longest fast we’ve done was 36 hours.  We never eat after sunset. 

PRIORHOUSE: You and I have briefly chatted before about the animal-based diet. Last month, we did the Heart and Soil AB30 (here).  I like how Heart and Soil worded it:

“Swap survival foods (vegetables and grains) for the most treasured foods of all time (meat and organs, fruit and honey). ” 

I had to modify my meals because I can’t have very much fruit sugar, but I did enjoy eating more meat – and having raw cow’s milk! Inhale some veggies I am not ready to give up and The challenge has caused me to rethink the lectin-rich veggies that are not as good for us as claimed.  

SHELLEY: Funny you mention this topic… because we’ve naturally morphed more into an animal-based diet. We rarely eat veggies, and if we do, they’re seasonal. I do enjoy some fruit – like avocados to start the day and maybe end the day with wild frozen blueberries in Greek yogurt. This morning, I had leftover sardine and avocado spread on an Egg Life wrap (Mr. wasn’t up for cooking today).

I agree that plants are not the best thing for us to eat. And there is merit to what you’ve learned so far!   


PRIORHOUSE: Out of the many health books you have read in the last few years, what are the top two you would suggest for folks who want to try a new approach to health?  

SHELLEY: Oh my, that’s tough, I’ve read a lot of good books and all have made an impact on the journey away from the processed foods we used to eat.

Most recently, I read a book that I highly recommend by Dr. Annette Bosworth – “Anyway You Can.”

The book that kicked us off on our journey was “The Salt Fix” by Dr. James DiNicolantonio.  I always craved salt, aka, craved my Tostitos.  When in reality I was deficient in salt and so are most people.

“Salt isn’t bad, sugar is.”

 I’ve attached a picture of the books I read early on in our journey.

SHELLEY: I know you asked for just two books, but…. there is another book worth mentioning. “The Hacking of the American Mind” by Robert H. Lustig, MD, MSL

This book is very convincing if someone wants to understand more about the politics of the food industry.

PRIORHOUSE:  While on the topic of books, you recently shared (here) how Dan Antion’s book, Knuckleheads, (here) –offered you some nice refreshment.  I also checked out his book in the summer. I liked the back stories and the descriptions – it was like someone was casually talking and I found it easy to follow. You already shared your review in your post but do you have a quick takeaway to share now?

SHELLEY: As I read Dan’s book, I enjoyed the casual conversations too – it felt real to me, just like visiting Dan’s blog does (recent No Facilities post here).  I enjoyed the gifts the boys had, and, not that this is what Dan was doing with his story, but in a way, I felt as though each boy was learning to accept their own intuition about life and how to navigate how we’re treated or not treated – that’s something we all go through as we mature.  Our childhoods help us even when we’re being knuckleheads as we learn and grow.  


 While I was looking through some of Shelley’s recent posts to find some images for this interview, this next image made me smile. It totally has the Quaint Revival “quirks, quips, and photo clicks” vibe! Also, readers – not sure if you noticed that many of today’s photos have a hint of “apricot” or an orange color. This is to connect with Terri’s color of the month, which is apricot – HERE. And it just so happened that some of Shelley’s recent photos had the apricot color – even the t-shirt she was wearing in the opening photo was apricot. 

 This image (by Shelley @QuaintRevival) also tied into something personal for me.  The “Not Today” words (left) will always be a phrase that I remember from July 2022 (and I will share the story some year – maybe even in a long PDF… wink! but…Not today, Not today.)


  • “Stopping: How to Be Still When You Have to Keep Going,” by Dr. David Kundtz
  • “Bird by Bird” by Anne Lamott.   
 Books and  Learning:
  • I love to learn new things and so a passion for books connects to that.
  • My learning is inspired by my personal interests and book content has to something I want to explore for myself, not just learn it for the sake of learning a required thing (think school).
  • If the topic of a book sucks the life out of me, then I have no desire to read it and I will move on.
My bookshelves are full of books that relate to my interests, which are as follows:
  • Work-related themes
  • Alzheimer’s disease and brain health
  • Organizing (I wanted to be a professional organizer at one point until I learned that I like to revive and organize, not to maintain that clever system I came up with! LOL – aka, Dubious Minimalism).
  • Leadership in the workplace.
  • Procrastination & getting things done
  • Writing
  • Inspiration
  • Sadly, I have very few fiction books.  I do enjoy reading fiction, I just don’t have hard copies stored for reference if needed – except for Dan’s book.  
2.  Hobby Photography.
  • Again, it’s the learning I enjoy and photography allows learning and experimenting. I like to take photos from different angles or I try to get a different composition in the same photo from the time I tried before.

    Image by Shelley @ Quaint Revival
  • I have a photo of my grandmother holding a camera at hip level as my inspiration. I use that hip-level technique often – thank goodness for SD cards. 
3.  Contemplating to Myself:  I love to sense the world and just think about the things I see.
4. Location: I live in the midwest of the US and I love where we live. We have a full four seasons to walk in, but…as I age, I think I’d never tire of taking a daily walk on an ocean beachfront.  My favorite beach is 7-Mile beach in Negril, Jamaica. 
5. Two Favorite Quotes:
  • “Prevention is better than cure.” Erasmus, 1509. 
  • “Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are. Let me learn from you, love you, bless you before you depart.”  Mary Jean Iron   
6.  Growing plants that survive under my care – I aim to keep them alive throughout the long winter, then revive them by moving them to my Tea House for the greenhouse effect during the warmer months.
Image by Shelley @ Quaint Revival


  • Thanks for joining us today. You can find Shelley online at Quaint Revival: Quirks, quips & photo clicks – HERE
  •  Thanks again to Marsha for making time to write about topics like health and wellness. If one person gets inspired to “rethink” their approach to health and wellness – then we all feel that our sharing has much value. 
  • Be sure to check out last month’s feature interview with author Ana Linden – HERE.
  • Later this month I will have September’s feature Interview, which is with Equinoxio.








60 thoughts on “PRIORHOUSE INTERVIEW: SHELLEY @QUAINT REVIVAL (HEALTH TALK, BOOKS, Keto, Animal Based Diet, Lizzo sugar cart & FAVS)

    1. Hi and thanks for the comment
      It sounds like you eat right fkr you – and from what I have seen – and your partner seem to enjoy quality food ….
      And one thing I only recently finally cracked down on was the bad oils – I looked the other way sometimes if something had “vegetable oil” (or industrial seed oils) but I got a little sick once and could feel the difference with staying away – so as we both know -and as Shelley says all the time – it can be a “JOuRNEY”

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  1. Yvette, you and Shelley cover a lot here today! I am bookmarking this for later. The American people are so addicted to their food fixes, me being one of them. We all need to find what works for us as our bodies are different and react differently to foods. I prefer to exercise, of which I have lacked for the last 3 years. It was great to see Shelley featured, as she and I recently reconnected through Sunday Stills. Have a great week to both of you 🙂

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    1. Hi Terri – thanks for sharing and even though we do have different bodies – I think (and obviously you know this too) we still have universal biology and glandular systems and cells that need nutrients and we have a need for fuel
      And so one of the reasons my husband became a part time health coach was because his standard American approach to fitness wasn’t working
      His high cardio (60 to 70 minutes if treadmill and swimming laps) didn’t give him results he wanted – and the granola bars and various carb laden meals were poor fuel choices –

      And so when he did more strength workouts and simple walking (powerful) and changed to meals with meat and stayed away from the UNHOLY trinity (no industrial seed oils – no grains – and no bad sugars and then not too much healthy sugar) he got the resujts he wanted

      And as an athlete who paddle boards /- 💦💧I am sure you know what helps you get more and do more – so if it is working for you (like those fresh green grapes you mentioned to Marsha recently 🍇)
      Then that is what matters right ?

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  2. Hi Yvette, thanks for all the kind words and connections. I just popped over to Shelly’s blog and lo a Sunday Stills post. What a small world we are creating.

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    1. Hi Marsha – it is a small world indeed! And thanks again to you – also the timing of your post was pretty good because if it was in July or august I would not have been able to follow up like I did with Shelley – which was last minute and also a desire if my heart (because I sorta want to post about health more – but then don’t because it can get annoying (people are resistant and stubborn and can get mean – especially if you slam their veggies or their sugar)
      Anyhow – hope your week is off ti a nice start

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      1. My week has started beautifully as you can see on my post this morning. I’m sitting in my office enjoying a cup of coffee as I read comments now. What could be better?


        1. I just checked out the post and LOVE the apricot finds and felt like I had a fun window shopping experience (if that makes sense) and how fun it will be to go and visit other bloggers

          😊🙏and my chance to join you all will come eventually

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    1. Hi! Such a good point how it changes! And that is why we need to be extra careful especially with who we consider experts – because sadly most doctors only take one class in nutrition and then the training is often designed and funded by big pharma or with lies about what is ideal for human fuel and nutrition

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  3. HI Yvette, thank you for this interesting interview with Shelley. I enjoyed learning more about the keto diet. I am fortunate and don’t have a sweet tooth and have never really needed to follow a diet. I do understand that healthy eating is very hard for some people, including my son, Michael. He just loves food and eating. He has to work to reduce his weight and change his eating habits as he likes to snack. We don’t have many additives in our diet at home, my mom and I both cook from scratch.

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    1. Hi Robbie – I know that you and your mom cook from Scratch and not sure if I ever told you – but I love how your recipes are so natural and usually include healthy meats. 🥘🍲🍛

      And just to clarify (for anyone reading) – the keto diet is not a diet in the sense of a six week eating plan – it is complete change —
      I think it is just a lifestyle change that involves getting away from foods that have “less to offer the human body” and eating foods that “offer more fuel and more nutrients for the brain, cells, and for glands, which then impacts immune function,
      Mood, and energy)

      But the word keto is corrupted these days and sigh! I sorta hate talking about it.

      And regarding your son – I knew a little of his journey – and did want to mention that our good friends Jason and Jody had a long healing journey with their son
      (I have permission to share) but after hospital stays that were infective – they saw a naturopath and at first their son was “short circuiting” her equipment and she said that the first thing she noticed was he was not “grounded”
      And he had to put his feet on the ground – without shoes – for 15 minutes a day (prior to that he was on a computer – playing guitar – and just not touching the earth at all)
      He didn’t have enough sunshine and had to get more of that and was given D3 and a multi vitamin and mineral
      But here was a shocking thing
      He had a heavy burden of parasites

      A terrible mistake in our culture today is the overlooking of parasite cleansing – and if someone had thyroid issues and fatigue and brain fog and other issues – parasites might be playing a role
      Because when the gut has imbalance – the natural balance that works with parasites is off and the parasites suck nurtrients and then leave behind toxins and it is lose- lose!
      And the grazing and snacking could be related to an infection or to not absorbing nutrients (just something to consider)
      And an egregious mistake our culture makes is to think stomach parasites are only a problem in third world countries -//
      Dr Hulda Clark had some good points – and a good book (old but SO good)
      Is “Guess What Came to Dinner”
      Ann Louise Gittleman
      “She shines a light on what could be a result of our health issues but is often overlooked by majority of doctors – parasites. Parasite infections happen everywhere, e.coli, Candida albicans, toxocara, trichinella spiralis, and so on could already be living inside your body”


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      1. Hi Yvette, you are quite right in all you say here. We like in southern African so parasites was a possibility we investigated thoroughly. Michael is in a special probiotic we keep in the fridge to aid gut health because of all the medications he has had and still has. He was born with no natural immune system and a deformity of his sinuses which got worse as he got older. He has no upper sinuses and his lower ones were a catacomb of interlinking cells. He had no drainage on the right hand side at all. I breast fed him for years at the pediatricians strong recommendation and he has a team of doctors who look after him. He is a medical mystery but also a miracle. We are so lucky he is alive and fairly well 💖

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        1. Oh Robbie 💜💚
          – the miracle mystery !

          Thanks so much for sharing – I knew bits of his story and sounds like you have a good collaborative approach – strength in unity 🙏

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  4. Yay for an interview with “our Shelley”. I have been enjoying our interaction for ages. I am surprised that Copper didn’t get a mention as he was a big part of “our” lives with Shelley.
    I can get the no sugar and animal fats, eating regimes by time and fasting but I cannot agree on the vegetables. They are a major part of my meals, cooked in Winter and raw in Summer. Same with having eggs as protein to get me through the day.
    A fabulous interview thanks Yvette 🤗💕

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    1. Hi BB
      Thanks for your comment and I love how you say “our Shelley” – and it reminded me that I have been following her for a long time too
      I thought about mentioning Copper because the photo of dan’s book had the real pillow where Copper used to sit !
      But I decided not to mention it for a couple reasons – partly to watch the side trails (even if a special topic) but then also when it comes to grief – I want to be careful before I add in a loss because we don’t know where the person is at and there are enough triggers and reminders and so I think I am a little cautious – if that makes sense
      But I am glad Dan mentioned Copper on his comment (no his Maddie 🐾🐾) and I just felt sad because I have seen both of those pups for years — so maybe my not mentioning of the pup kids was for my own sake ! —

      ☀️☀️We sure do get to know our friends here – don’t we?😊🙏

      And thanks for sharing about your view on food – and I actually think healthy animal fats are crucial – along with organ meats.
      But learning a little more about how some greens are just not received by the body the way we are told – esp Kale and other tough greens –
      But i am exploring and i think it is crucial to listen to your body (as I know you know) and if someone is thriving and has energy and mental clarity – that is what counts –

      I think it comes down to some food items being “a poor choice of fuel”
      If that makes sense
      And I think on the cellular and glandular level meat and good fats give us more “bang for our buck”

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        1. Mmmmm – I’ll eat yours then – and we also make our own dog food and sometimes make liver – hearts – and gizzards in the insta pot (pressure cooker) and they love it

          Oh and if you ever did want to consider getting the extreme benefits of some organ meat without eating it – “heart and soil” makes superb products – all natural blends (in capsules) and many folks have great results 💊🥩

          Okay / enough of that talk
          Thanks against for your comment s

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        2. Oh my goodness does that sound good – is it on your blog or can you share it? I didn’t know that the gizzards have tons of collagen – and so for anyone who complains that collagen can be pricy (some of it is) the gizzards can be a nice alternative but can be hard to find (and have to be cooked really well) – oh and then they can be tasteless so your curry recipe has me curious

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        3. Thanks so much and I forgot to tell you that I did finally heed your advice and “cut back” on eating the nuts (walnuts and cashews) and it made a difference – then I almost had nine in august (but missed them)

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    1. Hi Ktothe2
      I love the way you said feast and nibble
      And this “new info” can feel blinding so do take your time to digest
      And I know the first time I heard bread was not the best food to eat I was shocked and thought it was crazy – bread has been around forever — But then I learned about the corrupted crops and how our bread is not what was long ago
      And the video was so interesting and I heard that cyclist aren’t chugging Gatorade – they are having fat shots….

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  5. Thanks for featuring Shelley in your mini-interview, Yvette. I have been following Shelley, her food adventures and investigations, her apartment repairs and quirky and delightful photos for a long time. Sadly, I connected with her at a different level as we both lost very special pets this year. Thanks for mentioning my book. I remain grateful for your help promoting it, and Shelley’s review and the connection to her dealing with the loss of Copper gave me a special sense of accomplishment. I hope you both have a wonderful week.

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    1. Dan (gulp) I know you and Shelley share the pe loss this year – and condolences to you both for Cooper and Maddie 🙏🐾🐾🐾🐾
      And thanks for your comment here and hope your week is off to a pleasant start ….

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  6. Aw, Yvette, thank you for the interview! Your creative ways of pulling it all together for us to learn and grow and share are inspiring! I’m grateful we’ve crossed paths here in the blogosphere and that we get to meet so many interesting people and read about their perspectives. Food is our fuel. We all have to find what works for us. There was a day when I said, “I could never live without my Tostitos.” Never say never – start somewhere – eat whole foods!
    On the AB30, is that inspired by Dr. Saldino? I remember when he was a full-on carnivore and nothing else. Just like our ancestors, we morph into what works for our bodies. That route hopefully isn’t Lizzo’s Vegan Instacart!!! YIKES!!
    That bacon poster is delightful. Thank you again for the interview – I appreciate your encouragement. I look forward to hearing more about your AB30!


    1. Hi Shelley
      Thank you so much for helping to make this interview happen this week.
      I sometimes want to write about health more (like I still need to do a niacin flush post to share what I learned with that) but I just don’t Want to write about it – Hahah – I want to share “photos art and a little bit of lit” which is my blog tagline but also what I prefer to blog about –
      And so I said all that to let you know ALL THE MORE why this mini interview is special to me ! Whew – and thanks to Marsha for the huge nudge –
      And even tho this post is only a few little tidbits – I think is has some nuggets of gold

      Oh and yes, the AB30
      Was with Dr. Saldino
      And that company – heart and soil – has such a positive energy – from the texts and emails I received – the organizational
      Culture there seems joyful and person-centered and all about helping!
      Hope your day is going well and pretty amazing how you were wearing an apricot colored shirt in your recent photos – perfect for Sunday stills

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      1. You’re welcome! Thanks again for the opportunity to share thoughts with you. I agree the post has some nuggets of gold.

        I thought it was Dr. Saladino. When he lived in Colorado (I think it was Colorado, or somewhere in the US) he was hardcore Carnivore. Then he moved to Costa Rica and is literally active/exercising from sun up to sun down. No wonder he added carbs in the form of fruit and honey to his diet and felt better. I can’t help but think that if the average person who does 1/2 hour to 1 hour of exercise a day ate as many carbs as he does now, they’d not be able to maintain a healthy weight. But that’s just my take on his updated philosophy. We take a supplement like he sells, it really does make a difference. 😉

        Thanks again for the opportunity to share in your post – that shirt is my exercising shirt so that when we walk on the busy road by our house the cars can see us!! LOL It was perfect for the Sunday Stills!!

        I hope you’re having a great week!!


        1. Hi Shelley – I am new to learning about Dr. Saladino (and “heart and soil”) but my hubs and son have been in the know for a while (like you as well and so thanks for sharing that comment too)

          And I took the heart and soil “organ meat” capsules this Summer and “bone marrow and liver” caps (alternated the items and took only two a day instead of six because I take LOGOS brand wellness supplements already and I also eat meat and so didn’t feel the need for six caps – oh and I just heard they have a female formula “her package” and might try it – goodness – sometimes I feel late to the party – but then not really)🥴

          And cheers to the nuggets of helpful considerations here 🤔💭
          The post and comments remind me that we are all at different places with our food – and as I consider the veggie conversation – I am not ready to give up celery, radishes, cauliflower and a couple others – but not having salads? No problemo! Hahaha

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        2. I was thinking more about this post and the journey of discovery. Changing up our eating patterns is a journey, it is one day, one step at a time. There is SO much information out there, it can be overwhelming to discern what is right for our bodies. Looking back at our journey, we’ve changed multiple times. And I’m sure we’ll learn something new and change again. If you consider the ancestoral factor, where I live, there would be a period of time prior to the winter where the fruits (tomatoes, cucumbers, pumpkins, apples, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries) would all be consumed to build up fat for the winter. Who’s to say that’s not a good thing? We also don’t get much fresh produce which adds to the AB bend to our meals. I’m with you on passing by the salads. You have to be very careful that the salad dressings don’t have the seed oils in them!
          Happy AB discovery. Listen to your body. Oh, ICYMI there are a couple of books especially for women, one that is out already by Cynthia Thurlow and one that can be preordered called Fast Like a Girl: A Woman’s Guide to Using the Healing Power of Fasting to Burn Fat, Boost Energy, and Balance Hormones by Dr. Mindy Pelz. I can’t wait to read both of them.


        3. Hi and thanks so much for this comment !
          I too have been thinking about this post – (thx again) and especially last night when I had some white rice with butter – I guess the AB30 folks also now say white rice is okay (if the person can tolerate it)
          And I just needed something “different” –
          But as you have said before – there is Something people don’t understand about eating keto (hate that term) but because your nutrients are getting absorbed and the body has more long term fuel – there is less need to snack and very few cravings!
          Also – no getting “hangry” – and times of saying “hey – wait – I think I need to refuel” and then you realize how you needed to eat and gobble up a meal – but not starved – if that makes sense.
          And thanks for sharing another resource!
          Sometimes I HATE books that are targeted for women and this title is a turn off for me “fast like a girl” – ? I would never open a book that had that title even if it had good stuff
          Now with that said – I did notice that Heart and Soil has a women’s formula (“her package”)

          and I was just asking about that because I do think a few supplements might have a benefit for gender difference – and LOGOS Nutritionals has a men’s formula called Adam’s vitality – and I know someone who said he thrives with it!
          But what the heck does it even mean to fast like a girl?🤔🤔
          And why would we need a woman’s guide for fasting – sigh- I am totally judging Mindy’s book by a title – lol – but I will trust you that she has some great truth!

          And thanks for reminding us all about the word “journey” and the meandering trails you and your spouse continue to take as you find truth and enjoy good health!


        4. It’s at a scary point now with all the circulating thoughts on the web about what works and doesn’t work for diets. If someone is pushing their own product, I take it with a grain of salt or look at it as a potential nugget to learn more from. I’d say it has to be hard to keep a YouTube channel fresh with new content, thus the evolution of their thought process and what works for them now versus the earlier videos. Keto has gotten a bad rap since Dr. Atkins died (his death had NOTHING to do with his diet). You mention Keto to anyone older than 55 they will likely come back with, “You mean the diet that killed Atkins himself?” At the crux of all the diets that ‘work’ are those that avoid the processed foods with sugars and seed oils. The diets that cause inflammation, cause the diseases that kill us faster. Unfortunately, there is a strange cult-like phenomenon in certain groups – follow the $. Some people want the easy, pop a pill, solution – or the recipe to follow. Finding what works for one person isn’t a fit for all. Anyone that says it’s perfect for all is full of BS. Marketing is a magical thing, isn’t it. I admit that I’ve purchased a few supplements because of that. I have felt better since taking a few of them too, and others, not so much.
          I can’t help but wonder if the diet was a proper human one, why would supplements be needed if at all?
          I’m less inclined to be turned off from book titles, sorry if I offended you with sharing the book. From what I saw about Mindy (who by the way was at Ketocon) is that in all of her studies and research, she’s found that women during their different cycles of life (puberty, pregnancy, perimenopause, menopause) their bodies can benefit from refueling at times and fasting at times when our hormones aren’t fighting with the fast. That makes sense to me. Also, I know that if I eat/crave certain foods like liver, my body needs it. My hubby, on the other hand, thought I was crazy watching me enjoy it so much. His body didn’t need the iron like I did.
          Yes, it’s a journey – enjoy the discoveries along the way. Thanks for entertaining my thoughts, always a joy to toss ideas around with you.

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  7. I enjoyed this post! I was happy. to see Dan’s book, Knuckleheads, and also learn that one of two of Shelley’s favorite books is Bird By Bird. I love that book!

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    1. Jennie – hello and you are another person who seems to love that bird by bird book and I am so excited to check it out
      Thanks for the comment and I know you have been friends with Dan for a long time! I love many of your comments on his blog!

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  8. Yvette, I loved the conversation as much as the interview on this topic. Thanks for pointing out that Keto isn’t a quick fix diet, it is a lifestyle choice and for acknowledging that we all have to find what works for our bodies. Protein works for my body and gives me the energy I need to stay active. I do eat lots of green veggies and a variety of fruit, and I limit sugar but have not fully abandoned it. Wine is usually my downfall. Thanks for introducing me to Shelley. I have been hearing about her (on Dan’s blog) for quite some time, but now that you have made her more real, I’ll go check out her blog. She sounds like my kind of person – anyone who chooses Bird by Bird and one of her favorite two books must be a kindred spirit.

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    1. Hi Suzanne – I think you and Shelley are kindred in essence in many ways (from what I can tell) And thanks for taking the time to Join us for this conversation

      It has been fun and people have been pleasant – I knew sometimes food talk can be almost as dangerous as religion and politics (and people can get suited defensive) but I didn’t sense too much if that here and whew – glad for that
      But that is another reason I don’t feel called to “host a health blog” – can become argumentative – sigh – and it is why I am glad when others share so smoothly- Like Shelley (and others ) seem to have a natural ease to their sharing that fits them.

      Thanks again

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  9. Hi Shelley! Great to see you here. I, too, like “Bird by Bird” by Anne Lamott so it’s fun to know we have that in common. I admire your ability to stick with Keto, knowing I could not.

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  10. Thank you for this interesting interview with Shelley! I have had to make a lot of diet changes because of my health and am so glad I did! I don’t eat any sugar or starches! As Brian I can not go without my veggies!

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    1. Hi aletta – sounds like you have made some awesome changes and I can also relate with wanting to still have some veggies – for me it is celery – radishes- Somerville’s cauliflower and Brussel sprouts –
      but I am staying “open to learning”
      Because as Mark Sisson (here) says –

      the goal is to be “hard to kill” and “eat like your life depends on it

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        1. Well I had raw basil last night at an art show
          (And we grow it)
          And I used to lick at spinach
          And well no – not really …. just had bacon and eggs / tiny piece of mango – 4 ounces of raw cow’s milk (enzymes and colostrum and fat!) then with tea had some dark chocolate – and feel like that was eating to thrive

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  11. A great post on such a loaded subject that can be witnessed by all of your great response here. So much to say so little time. Trusting our gut is the best advice I give and loved reading about Shelly! 🙌🏽💖

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  12. Yvette, I follow Shelley’s blog and Shelley (like you), has been nudging me about my diet in recent years. I do follow a healthy diet (IMHO) with occasional lapses with Goldfish Whole Grain Crackers. I tell myself one cup, but if I have a bad day, I may overindulge – but my diet is otherwise blah and boring. I love my whole grain bread for my lunch, plus my oatmeal, a breakfast which I enjoy 365 days a year and have for decades. I do not eat red meat and won’t change that as I told you and Shelley – heart disease runs in my family, so just chicken and fish for me. As a concession to the whole grain products and at Shelley’s suggestion, I bought some Egglife plain egg white wraps. So far they have sat in my fridge, unopened for two weeks. I admit they don’t appeal much to me. I know the protein may be better and I refrained from buying bread to not be tempted, but I ate whole-grain crackers (Triscuits) to avoid the egg wraps to try them. Maybe tomorrow. One thing I have improved on, at the suggestion of Shelley, was to get more sleep. Since blogging has taken off, I was getting five hours of sleep if I was lucky – I now get seven hours of sleep, especially when my last trip to the allergist for a yearly visit, she did not like my BP numbers. Too much sitting once I return from walking and too much swirling around at work right now. Thank you for the interesting interview Yvette and Shelley!


    1. Linda – thanks so much for your diet and can I make one suggestion – this book
      “The big fat surprise”
      Book has some important information
      But the red meat and heart disease correlation is a myth and has been debunked yet the lie was so embedded in our culture

      🤔 I understand if you choose to not consumer it – while for me ir is 75% of my diet and I never felt better and have fuel and energy and a strong heart🥩💛

      Sugar and the BAD seed oils are what lead to triglycerides and that is what leads to plague and heart disease – ….. the lie about red meat is just that / a lie –(IMO)

      Alis, I really appreciate you sharing your comment and as I think we have talked about before – if what you are doing is working for you (and it sounds like it is) and if you are thriving with Mental validity and you have fuel for your athletic walks (and you are the champion walker – ha)

      Well then i think that says a lot! 😊☀️

      But we see so many people with sagging bellies and brain fog and so many health problems that are directly related to “unhelpful eating”

      the unholy trinity is at the root cause
      The unholy trinity:
      1) sugar (and even worse are corn syrups and chemical sweeteners)
      2) industrial seed oils (canola, vegetable, sunflower, rape seed, etc)
      3) grains
      Because this “crap food” is a poor source of fuel and is hard on the gut -and organs !! well this doesn’t empower the human machine

      Instead – this kind of diet spikes insulin and pulls from health and adds up over time

      So I think keeping an open mind is important but also respect your views fully


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